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Bulldog- 08-14-2008

Why not? The verb used (calling) clearly implies action on the part of South Africans, if they were to determine that they wished to be ruled by British colonial officials that would be self determination. No, I'm not advocating such an act I don't think that we should throw our money and effort at Empires it almost bankrupted us once before...but self determination has too often been conflated with self governance. Fair enough. If a referendum were held and the wishes of the SA people were to ask us Brits to come and run their country then, yes, that would be self-determination. But it'd almost as likely a result as the British people voting in a referendum to hand over the government of Britain to Brussels.

Skippy- 08-14-2008

But it'd almost as likely a result as the British people voting in a referendum to hand over the government of Britain to Brussels. Which, by the time they've finished telling us that we've got to vote 'in' will be just that. (My son has clearly been thinking 'European'. When he wants me to buy something, 'No' is not the answer he wants. He therefore keeps asking until he gets the answer he wants...... and my own ideas and wishes are long gone)

Bulldog- 08-14-2008

Which, by the time they've finished telling us that we've got to vote 'in' will be just that. I used to believe that. Now I'm not so sure. The French, Dutch & Irish, rejections of the Constitution/Lisbon Treaty and the EU's reaction to them have convinced me otherwise. I think the game may be up for European federalism. (My son has clearly been thinking 'European'. When he wants me to buy something, 'No' is not the answer he wants. He therefore keeps asking until he gets the answer he wants...... and my own ideas and wishes are long gone) I've got one exactly like that. And, in a worrying development, he's recently taken to ganging up with his mother.

Bestbear- 08-14-2008

As far as Self Determination goes, the Papuans did not want self-government; they wanted to be a State in the Commonwealth of Australia. Instead, they were forced to be independent. But they did keep the monarch as head of state.

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