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Anonymous- 07-31-2008
ZIMBABWE: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE WHITE MAN CEASES TO RULE
Zimbabwe is a stark -*test*-('")ament to the fact that modern democracy can function properly only in civilized nations that are populated by people with a strong concept of and desire for justice. The United Kingdom, the United States, and all other governments which did not support the Ian Smith regime should be ashamed that they have transformed what was once the "breadbasket of Africa" into a pathetic, third-world hellhole. There is NO sub-Saharan African nation that is better off as a result of ending the rule of the white man.

tjwmason- 07-31-2008
Re: ZIMBABWE: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE WHITE MAN CEASES TO RUL
There is NO sub-Saharan African nation that is better off as a result of ending the rule of the white man. While the process of decolonisation has certainly been followed by a number of problems (to put it mildly) - I think that use of the term "rule of the white man" is somewhat reminiscent of racist garbage.

Bestbear- 07-31-2008

Perhaps so. TJ ... perhaps so. But what Tex says is certainly so, and I don't think it can be denied by any rational person. I have no experience of Africa, but I did do my stint as a missionary in New Guinea in my salad days. The ordinary Papuan had no desire whatever for the end of "the rule of the white man". He knew what would ensue when the Ozzies (and others) left, and he was right. Their most admired and well-regarded Government Officer was a white Rhodesian, who stood no nonsense from anyone. I remember accompanying him on patrol on one occasion, when we came to a village that had the "rest house" in very poor repair, which had been the case for some time. He put in a great show of fury - even jumping on his hat - and declared that if it were not put right before nightfall he would evict the chief from his hut and sleep there. Needless to say it was fully repaired within two hours, and this excellent colonialist then organised a sports afternoon for the children, which was enjoyed by all. Any spinally challenged English Manchester Guardian reader would have just put up with it, and gone away grumbling.

Bestbear- 07-31-2008

By the way ... WELCOME, BigTex! :lol:

Bulldog- 07-31-2008
Re: ZIMBABWE: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE WHITE MAN CEASES TO RUL
There is NO sub-Saharan African nation that is better off as a result of ending the rule of the white man. Tanzania

SouthwestRanger- 07-31-2008

And how about South Africa after DeKlerk was forced to free Nelson Mandela and turn that once great nation into a PC Joke ! Since South Africa was "enlightened" Crime against Whites and BLACKS has increased... Medical Care has dropped in quality... Many South Africans have emigrated to the USA, UK, Australia, and NZ thus causing a serious brain drain... AIDS has run rampant ... Thank You Bishop Tutu...Don't come crying to us when you get beaten to death by the Black Gangs running ramapant in SA !

Bestbear- 07-31-2008
Re: ZIMBABWE: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE WHITE MAN CEASES TO RUL
There is NO sub-Saharan African nation that is better off as a result of ending the rule of the white man. Tanzania In what way is Tanzania "better off", Dog? Are the people wealthier, their medical and educational services improved to agreater extent than would have been the case under "white man's rule"? I don't know the answer, but perhaps you do. I don't think a fortunate escape from descent into anarchy and tribalism, while obviously good, is also obviously "better off".

D-Notice- 07-31-2008
Re: ZIMBABWE: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE WHITE MAN CEASES TO RUL
There is NO sub-Saharan African nation that is better off as a result of ending the rule of the white man. Botswana

Anonymous- 07-31-2008

BIGTEX has seen no evidence that Tanzania is better off without the rule of the white man. Botswana is interesting in that its government is one of the few in Africa which doesn't profess hatred for the white man, and has allowed the means of production of most goods to be owned and controlled by Europeans. Without the Europeans, Botswana would still be a third-world hellhole.

Bestbear- 07-31-2008

At university (when, you will recall, I was a Manchester-Guardian-Reading-Liberal!) I had a very good friend who was a Chinaman from Hong Kong. He was very cultured, very well-educated and I imagine his family was very well-off, though he never said so. In my Manchester-Guardian-Reading-Liberal way I was uneasy about our "white-man's rule" in his country. He was not. When I asked him if he wanted to see the end of "white-man's rule", he replied (in perfect upper-class English drawl) "My dear fellow! Certainly not! Administration is such a bore! If the English are prepared to do it for us we are free to get on with life, and making money!" :wink:

Bulldog- 07-31-2008
Re: ZIMBABWE: WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE WHITE MAN CEASES TO RUL
In what way is Tanzania "better off", Dog? Are the people wealthier, their medical and educational services improved to agreater extent than would have been the case under "white man's rule"? I don't know the answer, but perhaps you do. I don't think a fortunate escape from descent into anarchy and tribalism, while obviously good, is also obviously "better off". Well, Tanzania has certainly had it's problems since independence and amalgamation (1964) but (as far as I know) no severe famines, no brutal civil wars and no ongoing tribal issues that I'm aware of. They are also a developing nation, moving away from agriculture. Here's what the capital, Dar es Salaam, looks like now. Not exactly mud huts is it? I'm not sure that things were so great for yer average African bod under the various colonial powers anyway.

Bulldog- 07-31-2008

he replied (in perfect upper-class English drawl) "My dear fellow! Certainly not! Administration is such a bore! If the English are prepared to do it for us we are free to get on with life, and making money!" :wink: Well, I suppose we could always send them Gordon. If they promise not to eat him..... although.... :twisted:

SouthwestRanger- 07-31-2008

No they beheaded Gordon and then Mahdi went bonkers and then died.... HARARE, Zimbabwe (CNN) -- Zimbabwe's troubled central bank introduced $100 billion banknotes Saturday in a desperate bid to ease the recurrent cash shortages plaguing the inflation-ravaged economy. The bills officially come into circulation Monday, although they were on the foreign currency dealers market Saturday. As high as they are, though, the bills still aren't enough to buy a loaf of bread. They can buy only four oranges. The new note is equal to just one U.S. dollar. Once-prosperous Zimbabwe has seen an unprecedented economic meltdown since it gained independence in 1980, with the official inflation rate now at 2.2 million percent. Gideon Gono, governor of the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe, said the new notes are for "the convenience of the banking public and corporate sector" in light of price hikes. "The RBZ has noted with concern the unjustifiable and incessant general increases in prices of goods and services. It is therefore appealing to the business community to follow ethical business practices as well as take an interest in the plight of the general public," Gono said in a statement dated Friday. Zimbabwe started issuing large bank notes in December, starting with denominations of $250,000. In January, the government issued bills in denominations of $1 million, $5 million, and $10 million -- and in May, it issued bills from $25 million and $50 million up to $25 billion and $50 billion. The new bills are actually bearer checks and have an expiration date of December 31. Zimbabwe has not had formal currency since the introduction of bearer checks as a temporary measure in 2003. "The RBZ is fighting a losing battle," economist John Robertson said in Harare. "As long as the inflation remains high, cash shortages will persist. Source http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/africa/07/19...otes/index.html

Anonymous- 07-31-2008

Bulldog: Attached is a link to the CIA World Factbook with respect to Tanzania. Please note that it specifically refers to that country as "one of the poorest nations in the world." Take a look at the GDP, life expectancy at birth, literacy rate, infant mortality, hospital beds per capita, newspapers per capita, daily caloric intake . . . etc., then tell BIGTEX what it is about Tanzania that inspires you. <https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tz.html>

Rana- 07-31-2008

Bulldog: Attached is a link to the CIA World Factbook with respect to Tanzania. Please note that it specifically refers to that country as "one of the poorest nations in the world." Take a look at the GDP, life expectancy at birth, literacy rate, infant mortality, hospital beds per capita, newspapers per capita, daily caloric intake . . . etc., then tell BIGTEX what it is about Tanzania that inspires you. <https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tz.html> Not exactly impartial is it. What do they say about Louisiana?

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