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SouthwestRanger- 08-04-2008
The American War Between The States - The TRUE FACTS...
When we were all in Grammar School we were taught Lincoln was the beloved leader of the Union... However when we moved on to High School & College, we learned Honest Abe was very unpopular especially in the Abolitionist States of New England. The film GANGS OF NY showed how hated he was by many people. Mary Lincoln had all the class and charm of a warthog and various scandals nearly got Lincoln thrown out. Jefferson Davis personally rescued an African American playmate of his young son from an abusive and alcoholic father... Robert E. Lee opposed Slavery & Secession.... Nathan Bedford Forrest had African American bodyguards during and after the War Between The States who he trusted with his life... Free Negroes along with Native Americans owned Slaves in the South. They even fought for the Confederacy... Plantation Slaves DEFENDED their homes from Sherman's Union Forces when he made his infamous March to the Sea Also.... there are AFRICAN AMERICAN Female members of the United Daughters of The Confederacy who take pride in their ancestors actions during the War Between The States.... Native Americans fought for the Confederacy the most notable being Chief Stand Watie of the Cherokee Nation.... He once sent a letter to President Jefferson Davis pledging his support because he hated those bastards in Washington as much as the South did ! Lincoln almost set off a World War when he allowed Two Confederate Diplomats to be removed from a British Vessel (Trent) in International Waters by a Union Naval Capt. Only when the Brits sent Troops to Canada and made the Royal Navy ready for Blockade Smashing of the Union Navy did Lincoln back down... The Families of both Lincoln & Grant's Wives owned Slaves... And The Emancipation Proclamation freed NO BLACKS in Bondage even in the Union Held Areas.... But to even mention that will lump you in with the undesirable element defined by the PC Gestapo... Oh and BTW did I fail to mention the large number of Native Americans slaughtered by the All Black 9th & 10th Calvary Units during 1865-1890 ? Gee how they seem to forget that mention that during the Buffalo Soldier Commemeration Ceremonies !

Anonymous- 08-04-2008

"Political correctness" is fascistic censorship. It is no wonder young folks today are so ignorant, given the liberal indoctrination which passes for "education" in this day and time.

SouthwestRanger- 08-04-2008

How true.... Thought this might be of interest.... In defense of his Confederate pride Nelson Winbush is intent on defending the flag of his grandfather. It's just surprising which flag that is. By STEPHANIE GARRY, Times Staff Writer Published October 7, 2007 KISSIMMEE -- Nelson Winbush rotates a miniature flag holder he keeps on his mantel, imagining how the banners would appear in a Civil War battle. The Stars and Bars, he explains, looked too much like the U.nion flag to prevent friendly fire. The Confederacy responded by fashioning the distinctive Southern Cross -- better known as the rebel flag. Winbush, 78, is a retired assistant principal with a master's degree, a thoughtful man whose world view developed from listening to his grandfather's stories about serving the South in the "War Between the States." His grandfather's casket was draped with a Confederate flag. His mother pounded out her Confederate heritage on a typewriter. He wears a rebel flag pinned to the collar of his polo shirt. Winbush is also black. "You've never seen nothing like me, have you?" * * * Winbush's nondescript white brick house near Kissimmee's quaint downtown is cluttered with the mess of a life spent hoarding history. Under the glass of his coffee table lie family photos, all of smiling black people. On top sits Ebony magazine. Winbush is retired and a widower who keeps a strict schedule of household chores, family visits and Confederate events. He often eats at Fat Boy's Barbecue, where his Sons of Confederate Veterans camp meets. Winbush's words could come from the mouth of any white son of a Confederate veteran. They subscribe to a sort of religion about the war, a different version than mainstream America. The tenets, repeated endlessly by loyalists: The war was not about slavery. The South had the constitutional right to secede. Confederate soldiers were battling for their homes and their families. President Lincoln was a despot. Most importantly, the victors write the history. But Winbush has a conceptual canyon to bridge: How can a black man defend a movement that sought to keep his people enslaved? * * * Winbush is one of at most a handful of black members of the Sons of Confederate Veterans in the country. He knows skeptics question his story and his sanity. To win them over, he pulls out his grandfather's pension papers, reunion photos and obituary. He also gives speeches, mostly before white audiences. Winbush believes the South seceded because the federal government taxed it disproportionately. It was a matter of states' rights, not slavery, which was going extinct as the United States became more industrialized, he says. He denies that President Lincoln freed the slaves, explaining that the Emancipation Proclamation affected only the Confederate states, which were no longer under his authority. "It was an exercise in rhetoric, that's all," Winbush says. READ MORE AT..... LINK

Spartacus- 08-04-2008

Sorry ... isn't this site called "Free Britannia"? Spartacus

SouthwestRanger- 08-04-2008

Sorry ... isn't this site called "Free Britannia"? Spartacus Well Since The UK was nearly brought into the conflict due to the need for Southern Cotton and other commodities it is related to this board... Plus the Naval Battle between the USS KEARSARGE and CSS ALABAMA took place in the British part of the English Channel and witnessed by a British Vessel the DEERHOUND who picked up survivors from the sunken ALABAMA Also Great Britian also built Laird Rams which were used by the Confederate Navy... There is a very huge interest in the American War Between The States amongst Britons and I have met many of them at Gettysburg and Sharpsburg So this does have a place on this site

Spartacus- 08-04-2008

Don't get me wrong. American history fascinates me. But surely there are more appropriate sites on which to discuss it? Still, I bow to public opinion. If everyone else is happy with you guys having a private conversation ... Spartacus

Bulldog- 08-04-2008

Interesting thread. Sparty, I'm quite happy for these fellas to discuss whatever they like on these forums, it certainly makes things more interesting. However, I think this one belongs in "Dodgy Foreigners" so I'll move it there presently. As an aside, can I just ask SWR and BTx, if, in a perfect world, they'd rather the American slaves hadn't been emancipated?

SouthwestRanger- 08-05-2008

Interesting thread. Sparty, I'm quite happy for these fellas to discuss whatever they like on these forums, it certainly makes things more interesting. However, I think this one belongs in "Dodgy Foreigners" so I'll move it there presently. As an aside, can I just ask SWR and BTx, if, in a perfect world, they'd rather the American slaves hadn't been emancipated? Thanks Buldog.... No I do not approve of Slavery in any form and another fact about the CW is that FREED BLACKS along with NATIVE AMERICANS owned Slaves... The South knew they were holding on to a ancient and unwanted evil and were taking steps to end it properly but constant propaganda from Abolitionists like the Homicidal John Brown only worsened any chances to end it.. Even the UK called upon Jefferson Davis and The Southern Confederacy to end Slavery if they ever hoped to recieve any aid or recognition... This is why Prince Albert asked his wife Queen Victoria not to involve the UK in the CW... The South fired on Fort Sumter in SELF DEFENSE because the Northern troops were blockading the port in order to make it submit to Northern mismanagement. And you, of all people. should know that the Southern troops didn't fire on the Northern troops but aimed their bombardment against the walls of the fort. For something like 36 hours they hammered those walls until the North gave up WITHOUT suffering a SINGLE causality from the bombardment. And, like true Southern Gentlemen, the South not only gave safe passage to the Northern command and troops out of Fort Sumter but also gave the retreating troops a 100 gun salute. Now compare that kind treatment to when the Northern forces retook Charleston later on, went into the Charleston cemetery and disinterred the corpses, many of which were Revolutionary War heroes, and used their above-ground tombs for Yankee soldier barracks. They flung the corpses into the surrounding woods

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