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SouthwestRanger- 08-08-2008
RUSSIA INVADES GEORGIA !!!! HUNDREDS DEAD !!!
Georgia says Russian aircraft bombed its air bases By MUSA SADULAYEV Associated Press Writer DZHAVA, Georgia (AP) -- Russia sent columns of tanks and reportedly bombed Georgian air bases Friday after Georgia launched a major military offensive to retake the breakaway province of South Ossetia, threatening to ignite a broader conflict. Hundreds of civilians were reported dead in the worst outbreak of hostilities since the province won defacto independence in a war against Georgia that ended in 1992. Witnesses said the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali was devastated. "I saw bodies lying on the streets, around ruined buildings, in cars," said Lyudmila Ostayeva, 50, who had fled with her family to Dzhava, a village near the border with Russia. "It's impossible to count them now. There is hardly a single building left undamaged." The fighting broke out as much of the world's attention was focused on the start of the Olympic Games and many leaders, including Russia's Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President Bush, were in Beijing. The timing suggests Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili may have been counting on surprise to fulfill his longtime pledge to wrest back control of South Ossetia - a key to his hold on power. Saakashvili agreed the timing was not coincidental, but accused Russia of being the aggressor. "Most decision makers have gone for the holidays," he said in an interview with CNN. "Brilliant moment to attack a small country." The Russian stock market plunged around 6.5 percent on Friday, apparently in response to the fighting. Diplomats called for another emergency session of the United Nations Security Council, its second since early Friday morning seeking to prevent an all-out war. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had spoken to the parties involved and was working to end the fighting, State Department spokesman Gonzalo Gallegos told reporters. Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, has about 2,000 troops in Iraq, making it the third-largest contributor to coalition forces after the U.S. and Britain. But Saakashvili told CNN that the troops would be called home Saturday in the face of the South Ossetia fighting. Georgia, which borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia, was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the breakup of the Soviet Union. Georgia has angered Russia by seeking NATO membership - a bid Moscow regards as part of a Western effort to weaken its influence in the region. The U.N. refugee agency said Friday that hundreds were fleeing the fighting in South Ossetia and seeking safety elsewhere in Georgia or neighboring Russia. The leader of South Ossetia's rebel government, Eduard Kokoity, said about 1,400 people were killed in the onslaught, the Interfax news agency reported. The toll could not be independently confirmed. Ten Russian peacekeepers were killed and 30 wounded when their barracks were hit in Georgian shelling, said Russian Ground Forces spokesman Col. Igor Konashenkov. Russia has soldiers in South Ossetia as peacekeeping forces but Georgia alleges they back the separatists. Georgia's Foreign Ministry accused Russian aircraft of bombing two military air bases inside Georgia, inflicting some casualties and destroying several military aircraft. Rustavi 2 television said four people were killed and five wounded at the Marneuli air base. Russia's Defense Ministry said it was sending reinforcements for its peacekeepers, and Russian state television and Georgian officials reported a convoy of tanks had crossed the border. The convoy was expected to reach the provincial capital, Tskhinvali, by evening, Channel One television said. The International Committee of the Red Cross, citing local medical officials, said that Tskhinvali's main hospital had closed down after coming under fire from artillery. Water, electricity and telephone lines in the city also have been cut off, ICRC spokeswoman Maia Kardava said by telephone from the Georgian capital, Tbilisi. Georgian State Minister for Reintegration Temur Yakobashvili said government troops were now in full control of Tskhinvali, but the RIA-Novosti news agency quoted Konashenkov as saying late Friday that Russian tanks were firing on Georgian positions in the city. "We are facing Russian aggression," said Georgia's Security Council chief Kakha Lomaya. "They have sent in their troops and weapons and they are bombing our towns." Putin has warned that the Georgian attack will draw retaliation and the Defense Ministry pledged to protect South Ossetians, most of whom have Russian citizenship. Chairing a session of his Security Council in the Kremlin, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev also vowed that Moscow will protect Russian citizens. "In accordance with the constitution and federal law, I, as president of Russia, am obliged to protect lives and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they are located," Medvedev said, according to Russian news reports. "We won't allow the death of our compatriots go unpunished." On Friday, an AP reporter saw tanks and other heavy weapons concentrating on the Russian side of the border with South Ossetia - supporting the reports of an incursion. Some villagers were fleeing into Russia. "I saw them (the Georgians) shelling my village," said Maria, who gave only her first name. She said she and other villagers spent the night in a field and then fled toward the Russian border as the fighting escalated. Yakobashvili said Georgian forces had shot down four Russian combat planes over Georgian territory but gave no details. Russia's Defense Ministry denied an earlier Georgia report about one Russian plane downed and had no immediate comment on the la-*test*-('") claim. Yakobashvili said that one Russian plane had dropped a bomb on the Vaziani military base near the Georgian capital, but no one was hurt. More than 1,000 U.S. Marines and soldiers were at the base last month to teach combat skills to Georgian troops. Georgia has about 2,000 troops in Iraq, making it the third-largest contributor to coalition forces after the U.S. and Britain. South Ossetia officials said Georgia attacked with aircraft, armor and heavy artillery. Georgian troops fired missiles at Tskhinvali, an official said, and many buildings were on fire. Georgia's president said Russian aircraft bombed several Georgian villages and other civilian facilities. A senior Russian diplomat in charge of the South Ossetian conflict, Yuri Popov, dismissed the Georgian claims of Russian bombings as misinformation, the RIA-Novosti news agency reported. Russia's Defense Ministry denounced the Georgian attack as a "dirty adventure." "Blood shed in South Ossetia will weigh on their conscience," the ministry said in a statement posted on its Web site. Saakashvili long has pledged to restore Tbilisi's rule over South Ossetia and another breakaway province, Abkhazia. Both regions have run their own affairs without international recognition since splitting from Georgia in the early 1990s and built up ties with Moscow. Relations between Georgia and Russia worsened notably this year as Georgia pushed to join NATO and Russia dispatched additional peacekeeper forces to Abkhazia. The Georgian attack came just hours after Saakashvili announced a unilateral cease-fire in a television broadcast late Thursday in which he also urged South Ossetian separatist leaders to enter talks on resolving the conflict. Georgian officials later blamed South Ossetian separatists for thwarting the cease-fire by shelling Georgian villages in the area. LINK

Bulldog- 08-08-2008

Oh great, more dead and maimed people in the world. Just what we need. :x

SouthwestRanger- 08-08-2008

Y'lnow Bulldog when the Olympics were going on in the Olden Days, the World Leaders at the time were ordered to stop all fighting, killing, and other squabbles in the spirit of Peace and Unity... Times have changed !

Bulldog- 08-08-2008

I never knew that. But you know, somehow I can't see Hitler or Tojo taking much notice of that.

Anonymous- 08-08-2008

I never knew that. But you know, somehow I can't see Hitler or Tojo taking much notice of that. Sure, but Stalin would have I take it. Sorry, he was one of the good guys; I forgot.

Bulldog- 08-09-2008

Sure, but Stalin would have I take it. Sorry, he was one of the good guys; I forgot. Eh?

AngloSaxon- 08-09-2008

Meanwhile whilst the world watches China and now Russia... U.S. Aircraft Carriers Head For The Gulf; Kuwait Prepares "Emergency War Plan" Kuwait City, Kuwait (AHN) -- Two additional U.S. Navy aircraft carriers are on their way to the Gulf and the Red Sea, according to Kuwait Times. Kuwait began finalizing its "emergency war plan" on being told the vessels were bound for the region. The U.S. Navy will neither confirm nor deny that carriers are currently en route. U.S. Fifth Fleet Combined Maritime Command located in Bahrain said it could not comment because of what a spokesman termed "force-protection policy." While the Kuwaiti daily did not name the ships it believes are heading for the Middle East, The Media Line's (TML) defense analyst said they could be the USS Theodore Roosevelt and the USS Ronald Reagan. http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7011874353

AngloSaxon- 08-09-2008

Then of course we have the added unreported fact, that the US have maybe, THOUSANDS of there own troops already in Georgia...interesting... from July 08 Russian military gangs ready to invade Georgia. U.S. sends thousand marines in response http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2008/07/10/9971.shtml from July 08 US army exercises begin in Georgia http://tinyurl.com/6asycd from July 02 Green Berets now in Georgia: U.S. Special Forces are training Georgian soldiers http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0LIY/is_10_89/ai_87509631

AngloSaxon- 08-09-2008

Oh and finally...:) This isn't about Peace, or ethnic cleansing. This is about our old friend Mr Oil! Georgian tanks and infantry, aided by Israeli military advisers, captured the capital of breakaway South Ossetia, Tskhinvali, early Friday, Aug. 8, bringing the Georgian-Russian conflict over the province to a military climax. SNIP geopolitical experts note that on the surface level, the Russians are backing the separatists of S. Ossetia and neighboring Abkhazia as payback for the strengthening of American influence in tiny Georgia and its 4.5 million inhabitants. However, more immediately, the conflict has been sparked by the race for control over the pipelines carrying oil and gas out of the Caspian region. The Russians may just bear with the pro-US Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili’s ambition to bring his country into NATO. But they draw a heavy line against his plans and those of Western oil companies, including Israeli firms, to route the oil routes from Azerbaijan and the gas lines from Turkmenistan, which transit Georgia, through Turkey instead of hooking them up to Russian pipelines. SNIP Jerusalem owns a strong interest in Caspian oil and gas pipelines reach the Turkish terminal port of Ceyhan, rather than the Russian network. Intense negotiations are afoot between Israel Turkey, Georgia, Turkmenistan and Azarbaijan for pipelines to reach Turkey and thence to Israel’s oil terminal at Ashkelon and on to its Red Sea port of Eilat. From there, supertankers can carry the gas and oil to the Far East through the Indian Ocean. Aware of Moscow’s sensitivity on the oil question, Israel offered Russia a stake in the project but was rejected. Saying all that though, the source of the above is a news outlet called Debka. DEBKAfile (Hebrew: תיקדבקה‎) is an Israeli, Jerusalem-based English language open source military intelligence website with commentary and analyses on terrorism, intelligence, security, and military and political affairs in the Middle East. It began in the summer of 2000, and is operated from the Jerusalem home of veteran journalists Giora Shamis and Diane Shalem.<1> It has been awarded Forbes' Best of The Web award.<2> Forbes identifies the best part of the website as being its archives, but decries the fact that "most of the information is attributed to unidentified sources." Debka has been criticized as a fringe outfit catering to conspiracy theorists. Yediot Achronot's investigative reporter Ronen Bergman claims that the site relies on information from sources with an agenda, such as the rightist elements of the American Republican Party, and that Israeli intelligence officials do not consider even 10 percent of the site's content to be reliable.<1> The site's operators claim that 80 percent of what Debka reports turns out to be true, and point out their 2000 prediction that al-Qaeda would strike the World Trade Center, and that they had warned well before the 2006 war in Lebanon that Hezbollah had amassed 12,000 Katyusha rockets that were pointed at northern Israel.<1> Make of it what you will!! http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=1358

Spartacus- 08-09-2008

Sure, but Stalin would have I take it. Sorry, he was one of the good guys; I forgot. Eh? It's a ritual of fascist boneheads that when you mention one of their heroes as a bad guy, you're expected to name a Communist bad guy too, so that you can be seen to be even-handed. They're a simple folk and such gestures make them happy. OK, Max - Stalin was as big an asshole as Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo. Better now? Spartacus

Anonymous- 08-09-2008

Sure, but Stalin would have I take it. Sorry, he was one of the good guys; I forgot. Eh? It's a ritual of fascist boneheads that when you mention one of their heroes as a bad guy, you're expected to name a Communist bad guy too, so that you can be seen to be even-handed. They're a simple folk and such gestures make them happy. OK, Max - Stalin was as big an asshole as Hitler, Mussolini and Tojo. Better now? Spartacus You know Spartacus, people may take you a lot more seriously if you left the personal abuse at the door on your way in. You appear to have a problem with people being even-handed, says a lot more about you, than it does me I'm afraid. But at least you did agree with me on this occasion about Stalin; which is a start I suppose. Well whatever next I wonder, Russia seems to be flexing her muscles, and there isn't much anyone can do about it I should think. I'm just waiting for Israel to nuke Iran, now that really will send the fireworks skyward.

Spartacus- 08-09-2008

You know Spartacus, people may take you a lot more seriously if you left the personal abuse at the door on your way in. Now, what makes you think I want to be taken seriously? :wink: And I am pretty even handed, you know. I've always believed that the Stalinists were just as obnoxious as you and your kind! Spartacus

Anonymous- 08-09-2008

And I am pretty even handed, you know. I've always believed that the Stalinists were just as obnoxious as you and your kind! Spartacus Can't help yourself can you? I think people reading these last few exchanges between us will be in no doubt as to what kind of person that you represent. And in this crazy, misguided world, it is people of your ilk who are held up as examples of all that is best. It truly is a mad world.

Spartacus- 08-09-2008

I think people reading these last few exchanges between us will be in no doubt as to what kind of person that you represent. And in this crazy, misguided world, it is people of your ilk who are held up as examples of all that is best. It truly is a mad world. I suspect they made their mind up about both of us yonks ago, Kamerad. I can live with that. :wink: Spartacus

AngloSaxon- 08-09-2008

Personally i thought that the nazis were on the left with the commies. The term national socialism says it all really.

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