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Bulldog- 05-27-2008
Is Euro-scepticism dead?
My friends at EU Referendum are on the point of giving up. In a despairing post, Richard North fancies that he sees the carcass of souverainisme stretched out before him: “Euroscepticism is dead. It is not official yet, and the putative corpse is still breathing. If it was a human being, it would be on life support, showing no brain activity.” I can see his point. I have also railed often enough about people’s acquiescence in the destruction of their freedom. Then again, as the grea-*test*-('") of all Englishmen puts it: “Oft expectation fails and most oft there Where most it promises, and oft it hits Where hope is coldest and despair most fits.” In the run-up to Maastricht, I made the mistake of giving up on my countrymen. An undergraduate at the time, I campaigned frenetically, organising rallies, firing off letters to the press. But I remember feeling utterly alone. People agreed readily enough when pushed for an opinion; but no seemed to care. Then, just as I was on the point of giving up, something extraordinary happened. On 2 June 1992, Denmark voted against the Maastricht Treaty. Overnight, the mood changed. People felt that it was possible after all to defy Leviathan. They were ashamed that it had fallen to a nation of five million people to do what the Mother of Parliaments ought to have done. Europe shot to the top of the political agenda and stayed there for the better part of a decade. Now the wheel has turned again. People have slumped back into despondency. It doesn’t much matter what we think about Brussels, they say: it makes no difference. Newspapers have taken their cue from their readers, pushing the whole topic off their pages – which is why, for example, the Lib Dems are getting away with their nauseating lies about supporting a referendum. Opposition is left to a couple of blogs such as this one and EU Referendum. Now, it seems, this one may find itself alone. Richard North writes: “This blog was started in the heady days of 2005 when we thought we might get a referendum on the (then) “Constitution for Europe”. But, with the certain ratification of its replacement, the Lisbon treaty – with or without Ireland – and no prospect of a referendum, our job is done. As politics descend into the realms of the soap opera, increasingly divorced from reality, we end on the low note of abject failure.” Snap out of it, Richard! Heaven knows, I have been the target often enough of your hearty (but wholly unreciprocated) dislike. But, when the mainstream newspapers have virtually given up reporting on the institutions that generate 80 per cent of our laws, outlets like yours are critical. This blog, for one, plans to stay in business. Now who will stand on either hand and keep the bridge with me? http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/politics/danielhannan/may08/wehavelost.htm

AngloSaxon- 05-27-2008

This is bad news if true. EUreferendum is one of the best websites on the net.

tjwmason- 05-27-2008

I don't think that there's cause for despair, but there is certainly cause for concern...indeed serious concern. The eurosceptic movement has been winning most of the major tactical battles, but hasn't even been engaging in the strategic battle. I was watching the House of Cards trilogy on D.V.D. recently and it took me back to the position we were in in the mid-'90s. Back then the single currency was a real and genuine threat - even members of the Tory Party were contemplating joining, while Labour openly stated that they were in favour "in principle"...who today believes that we'll join? If one thinks back, the big problem was not that the people supported EMU, it was that they were apathetic and regarded it as inevitable - today they regard our continued membership of the Union as inevitable and are apathetic; but as the case of the single currency shows, apathy and 'inevitability' can be beaten.

AngloSaxon- 05-27-2008

Prediction: Within five years this country will be in the Euro. We've already seen parity between the Pound and Euro. On the news today the media are strumming up the fact that the price of a litre of Petrol is only a £1 on the continent. I think they're gearing us up for entry.

Bulldog- 05-27-2008

We've already seen parity between the Pound and Euro. No we haven't. http://finance.yahoo.com/currency/convert?from=GBP&to=EUR&amt=1&t=5y Yet.

tjwmason- 05-27-2008

Prediction: Within five years this country will be in the Euro. We've already seen parity between the Pound and Euro. On the news today the media are strumming up the fact that the price of a litre of Petrol is only a £1 on the continent. I think they're gearing us up for entry. Who are "they"? The Euro's a dead issue in the British body-politic - it's now accepted that we'll only go in with a referendum, and even the most loopy pro-E.U. fanatics know that would be lost.

Bulldog- 05-27-2008

The Euro's a dead issue in the British body-politic - it's now accepted that we'll only go in with a referendum, and even the most loopy pro-E.U. fanatics know that would be lost. But it was also accepted that we wouldn't ratify the constitution without a referendum. Wasn't it?

AngloSaxon- 05-28-2008

Who are "they"? The 'colleagues' who really run the country.

tjwmason- 05-28-2008

The Euro's a dead issue in the British body-politic - it's now accepted that we'll only go in with a referendum, and even the most loopy pro-E.U. fanatics know that would be lost. But it was also accepted that we wouldn't ratify the constitution without a referendum. Wasn't it? I know what you're saying, and do agree - but in a strict sense this has been adhered to because in a technical sense what is going through is a different beast. Short of abolishing the Euro and creating a new single-currency, I don't see how the same procedure could happen.

tjwmason- 05-28-2008

Who are "they"? The 'colleagues' who really run the country. Given that the Prime Minister is opposed (and we must suppose that this extends to the sock-puppet Chancellor), and that the opposition party is opposed I fail to see how we will be taken in. Were I a betting man, I'd happily have a wager with you on the five year suggestion.

Bulldog- 05-28-2008

I know what you're saying, and do agree - but in a strict sense this has been adhered to because in a technical sense what is going through is a different beast. Short of abolishing the Euro and creating a new single-currency, I don't see how the same procedure could happen. Yes, but given the mendacity, duplicitousness and chicanery of our elected and unelected officials, both in Westminster and Brussles, I wouldn't put it past em to try, would you? And if they did, the vast majority of people would sigh and accept it with resigned docility.

tjwmason- 05-28-2008

I know what you're saying, and do agree - but in a strict sense this has been adhered to because in a technical sense what is going through is a different beast. Short of abolishing the Euro and creating a new single-currency, I don't see how the same procedure could happen. Yes, but given the mendacity, duplicitousness and chicanery of our elected and unelected officials, both in Westminster and Brussles, I wouldn't put it past em to try, would you? And if they did, the vast majority of people would sigh and accept it with resigned docility. I wouldn't put it past people who want it to happen - however our current Prime Minister is opposed as is the opposition party. I'm still wondering who is trying to get us to join - obviously Brussels does, and no doubt some pinkos in the F.C.O., but if Brown is opposed it's a betting certainty that the Treasury are also.

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