BREAKING NEWS: No Campaign Wins in Ireland

BREAKING NEWS: No Campaign Wins in Ireland
I understand all the indications are that the No Campaign has won the referendum vote in Ireland over the Lisbon Treaty. Now let's what the EU head honchose try to worm their way out of this one and tell us that the Irish didn't really mean it. UPDATE 10.44: A source from inside the count confirms that both the Yes and No campaigns are saying the No campaign have won. Middle class areas are voting 50-50 and working class areas are 70% for a No vote. http://iaindale.blogspot.com/2008/06/breaking-news-no-campaign-wins-in.html

If they have voted No, then it is good news. However, Old McNutty on Question Time last night suggested that it might not make any difference. I'll be watching to see what happens.

Looks reliable this. http://tinyurl.com/3qe6fk The bookies odds have now swung heavily the other way too, making "No" odds on and "Yes" a long outsider. Excellent! A little victory to lift the spirits! (for a while anyway, until the weasels find another way) Who'd a thunk it though?

It wonb't make a scrap of difference ... They'll probably produce a Fuehrer Directif that says no EU country may hold referenda on EU matters, and get the constitution ratified by Irish Presidential Decree. Democracy is non communitaire

...reacting to the result, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso still called on other members states to ratify the treaty. "I believe the treaty is alive and we should now try to find a solution," he insisted in Brussels. "The Irish government and the governments of the other member states will now need to assess what this result means for the process. The treaty was signed by all 27 member states, so there is a joint responsibility to address the situation." snip http://tinyurl.com/6au8uw Here we go again. :x

So, are you going to put it to a vote of the people like the Irish?

So, are you going to put it to a vote of the people like the Irish? No. Referenda aren't part of the usual British scheme of governance, there has only been one national referendum in British history - that was pledged to ease 'tensions' within the then Labour shadow cabinet. Since then there have been referenda in Scotland and Wales on the creation of devolved governments, one (there may have been another...my memory isn't totally clear) on the creation of a regional assembly, and a number of the creation of directly elected mayoralties. In the early '90s pressure grew for a referendum on the Maastricht Treaty which came to nought as the then Conservative government was determined to push it through. It then arose in regard to the Single Currency, and was proposed by the Conservatives (again to hide tensions within the party) and the Labour Party was shamed into agreeing to it. When the European Constitution was first proposed it was to have been ratified by Parliament in the usual manner, but various other European countries arranged for them and the Tories supported one for tactical reasons eventually Mr. Blair was forced to concede one. This became a moot point (technically speaking) when two referenda went again it and it was withdrawn. The new proposal was a slimmed down version, certain points were conceded but the vast majority was retained. This has been presented as a new different beast, and the pledges of referenda were treated as null and void. The Irish vote could act to strengthen calls for a referendum - but I think it unlikely that one will be called in the U.K.

The Irish vote could act to strengthen calls for a referendum - but I think it unlikely that one will be called in the U.K. Yup. Our government doesn't want us to have one, although they promised one. They don't like democracy you see. Little Milliband says they're going to ratify the thing anyway, and the people be damned.

Milliband ducked out of a debate on this issue on Radio 4 this morning. William Hague observed that Milliband had been keen to discuss the matter live until there was the NO vote. The Labour substitute, despite being reminded by the presenter that the EU rules say that all 27 states must ratify or the treaty is dead, kept repeating that "This is not the time to make judgements." He said that we must wait until all the states have ratified the treaty (constitution) before deciding the way forward. "But the Iraish people have already spoken," he was reminded again. "Yes," he said. "And we must respect that, but ...." He then waffled the same nonsense about how all the nations must ratify before any decision can be made ... and he suggested that the Irish could be asked to hold another vote. "The Irish government must come to Europe and suggest a way forward." "But what right does the Irish government have to be suggesting a way forward, now that their people have voted against it. Surely, by EU rules, it is now dead." "As I said, this is not the time to sit in judgement ...." :? There doesn't seem to be an internet link to it yet.

As I said, nothing will be allowed to stand in the way of the EU constitution.

As I said, nothing will be allowed to stand in the way of the EU constitution. Not even the will of the people? People in power are bad about railroading their agenda down the throats of the masses, aren't they? It happens all the time all over the world. Thank goodness the Irish didn't let it happen to them this time. Something as important as giving up sovereignty should at least be decided upon by a vote, don't you think?

Something as important as giving up sovereignty should at least be decided upon by a vote, don't you think? HOW TRUE GATOR . i`d like to really say what i think gator but i think i`d have the internet police around :)

Something as important as giving up sovereignty should at least be decided upon by a vote, don't you think? Absolutely. But people in general tend not to care very much about such things. As long as they have their bread and their circuses they're usually oblivious to the machinations of their political masters. Cattle.

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