BNP: British generals should be hanged for war crimes
Some of Britain’s most respected military commanders have been drawn into an extraordinary public row with the British National Party after the party's leader compared them to Nazi generals hanged for war crimes. Nick Griffin, the BNP leader, accused General Sir Richard Dannatt and General Sir Mike Jackson, two former chiefs of the general staff, of complicity in “illegal” wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the MPs’ expenses scandal. Mr Griffin’s attack came after the generals added their names to a new campaign against the BNP's attempts to “steal the valour” of the Armed Forces by using wartime images and slogans. The party routinely uses images of Spitfires in its campaign material, and has also invoked the memory of Sir Winston Churchill. In an ITV News interview, Mr Griffin claimed that Sir Winston would backed his party if he were alive today. "His only place would be in the British National Party," he said. Promising to counter such propaganda, the Nothing British campaign launched on Tuesday with a report warning: “The forces of extremism and racism are hijacking the good name of Britain's military.” The campaign, organised by Conservative activists, is backed by retired senior service personnel including the generals, who signed an open letter on the issue. “We call on all those who seek to hijack the good name of Britain's military for their own advantage to cease and desist,” they wrote. “The values of these extremists – many of whom are essentially racist – are fundamentally at odds with the values of the modern British military, such as tolerance and fairness.” Mr Griffin responded with a lengthy tirade on the BNP’s website, likening the generals to Nazi military chiefs. He said: “Those Tory generals who today attacked the British National Party should remember that at the Nuremberg Trials, the politicians and generals accused of waging illegal aggressive wars were all charged — and hanged — together. snip http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6389218/BNP-British-generals-should-be-hanged-for-war-crimes.html

Goods to see the BNP doing all it can to lose military support. Hopefully people will be able to see now what a con the BNP's claims to patriotism really are.

Now, I like to be fair to everyone (apart from the Labour Party!) and I must therefore take issue with the grossly misleading headline on this article, and from it to this thread. A careful reading of the reports does not support the contention that Nick Griffin says our generals and politicians should be hanged. He merely states what many believe: that the wars Bomber Blair sent our forces to fight were and are illegal wars, and he reminds generals and politicians what happened to the Nazis who did the same. Their generals and politicians were hanged for waging an illegal war, which is the top-of-the-market war crime. Now I am not sure that Griffin is right about the illegality of these wars. You can make out a case for either side. But he is right to say that the Germans were hanged. And surely he is also right to say that generals and politicians should take care not to fall into the same category. If anyone but Nicky had said these things half the country would have agreed with him. Maybe half the country still does, but is intimidated about saying so? Who knows?

Nicky?

OK I put my hand up to that. More lying propaganda - using a diminutive to diminish a guy. I should be ashamed. :oops: :roll:

Nick Griffin is the real Nazi, not our distinguished generals At the risk of giving BNP leader Nick Griffin the oxygen of publicity he so desperately craves, his totally obnoxious claim that our leading generals are no better than Nazi war criminals cannot be allowed to stand unchallenged. Mr Griffin asserts that two of our leading generals, Sir Mike Jackson and Sir Richard Dannatt, are war criminals for committing British forces to fight in Afghanistan and Iraq. But there is nothing illegal about the war in Afghanistan, which is part of a Nato mission to rebuild the country after thirty years of conflict, and there was nothing illegal about the war in Iraq, which was sanctioned by a whole raft of UN security council resolutions which Saddam Hussein, the Iraqi dictator, had merrily ignored for a decade or more. If anyone conducts himself like a Nazi, it is Mr Griffin, with his liberal use of words like “scum” and “vermin” to describe those who do not subscribe to his warped world view. This language is no different to Hitler’s frequent use of “untermensch”, the German for sub human, to describe those deemed not to be fit to join the Nazi master race, many of whom perished in Hitler’s concentration camps. But you get some idea of how deranged Mr Griffin is when he claims that, if Winston Churchill were alive today, he would be a member of the BNP. Can this be the same Winston Churchill who spent much of his early career as a Liberal MP, the same Winston Churchill who opposed Oswald Mosley’s Black Shirts, the great statesman who advocated social tolerance throughout his distinguished career? Nick Griffin is a vaudeville act, not a serious politician nor a serious ideologue. And I, for one, will be tuning in tomorrow night for the great entertainment that this week’s edition of Question Time promises to be. http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/concoughlin/100014324/nick-griffin-is-the-real-nazi-not-our-distinguished-generals/

I'm in two minds about BNP, on one hand they're really racist to the point where they should be arrested but on the other, anythings better than Labour

People I trust and like tell me the BNP is wicked, racist, fascist etc, and so do the chatterati. But when Nicky is seen interviewed - as by Bolton on Sky recently - he comes over quite well. He seems to be saying what most people actually believe: that lawful immigrants should feel that their right to be here is not challenged; that unlawful immigrants should be returned pronto to their country of origin; that natives of these islands should not have their interests subordinated to immigrants; that Islam is a horrible religion because it supresses women, wants to execute homosexuals and stone adulteresses and because it has an ideology opposed to democracy, liberty and Western values generally, making it inimical to our way of life and cultural norms. He wants us out of the EU which is leaching away our sovereignty. Can't find anything there I disagree with! Oh ... and he doesn't "deny the holocaust" as charged, though I would have no problem with someone daft enough to do so. People are entitled to their opinions, even if they are blind to the facts. Certainly holding an opinion should not be a crime, even within the EUSSR! Remain where you are! The thought police will join you! As for racism, if it is a matter of unwarranted attacks on people because of their colour or religion, then I am agin it. If it is sticking up for your own I am for it. Either way, it does not merit its current status as The Sin Against The Holy Ghost! But I could never support the BNP. Their other policies are unreconstructed socialism. If the BNP is abhorrent, then that is why IMHO! They are not of the Right, but of the Left.

Hmm, maybe. I don't really see BNP as a party with real propects of coming into power... It would take a major upset for them to get there. I'm talking about REALLY major.

No ... they will never come to power. Why, then. are all the Great and The Good making such a fuss about them? It is because they articulate views about issues which the EU lovers, PC agonisers and immigration boosters do not want discussed at all ... and those views find an echo in a great many disenfranchised native English hearts, people who have no one else who takes any account of them at all. To make sure such people do NOT vote BNP, any lie will do, the bigger the better.

People, however, will continue to support BNP. Even if it's only a small amount, because they do not see beyond the end of their noses. Many of these so called 'Illegal Immigrants' are here legitimately or because they can not return to their home country. BNP would ship off people who, upon returning to their own country, would be killed.

That is awful - if true. :roll: But ... is it? Or is this just another bit of lying propaganda? Maybe someone will raise the point at Question Time. I hope someone does. But it is far more likely that Griffin will be shouted down by so-called Anti Fascist hooligans. I think they are far worse than the BNP, by the way! They want to suppress freedom of expression, and interfere with people "going about their lawful occasions". If the BNP houses thugs, these anti-fascists have worse, and more of them. And they have no madate. How many people voted for the SWP?

Many people flee their country because they have spoken out against the current regimes and fear they may be killed. Some flee their countries because of war. In both situations there is a good chance they will be killed if they go back...

But Clarkey .... You have to ask .... Why are they here? And not in France, Germany, Turkey, Italy or whichever safe country they came to first in their "flight to freedom"? How many safe countries lie between the UK and Somalia, for example? People should be given refugee status by the first country they escape to. That is International Law, as I have read.